Where does Hawthorn and former Port Adelaide champion Shaun Burgoyne rank in the scheme of the greatest Indigenous footballers in AFL history?
Pretty highly according to The Marngrook Footy Show host Grant Hansen, who says he deserves to be considered among the very best.
"Shaun, congratulations to you last week on the win (with Hawthorn), and geez brother, personally you're having a fantastic season," Hansen said on Thursday night's episode of The Marngrook Footy Show live on NITV.
"You're like a bottle of wine - you seem to be getting better and better.
"You're like a bottle of wine - you seem to be getting better and better."
"You're playing probably some of the best football of your career. You've played in what, four premierships, and you just keep on getting better.
"And I think, Gilbert, without trying to embarrass Shaun, I think he'll be one of the best Indigenous players of all time by the time he hangs up his boots."
Co-host of the show, Gilbert McAdam, echoed Hansen's sentiments about the 34-year-old Warray man, saying he thinks the 333-game player has at least a couple more seasons left at the top level.
Playing on into a 17th season is something Burgoyne is keen on doing, but doesn't want to think too much about just yet.
"We'll see how we go," he said. "You can't get too swept up in this stuff. At the moment, as a player, you've got to keep it realistic and for me at the moment, it's weekly.
"I'm only one injury away from not playing the game again, I know that. As you get older it gets, it's very very tight the things that can happen to prevent you from playing.
"I'm only one injury away from not playing the game again, I know that. As you get older it gets, it's very very tight the things that can happen to prevent you from playing."
"I approach each week as it's my last week and that's the way I want to enjoy my footy," he said.
Guest panellist and AFL Hall of Fame member Robert Walls then asked Burgoyne who he has enjoyed playing alongside the most, through his distinguished career.
"At Port I really enjoyed playing obviously with Gavin Wanganeen - a childhood idol," Burgoyne said.
"Warren Tredrea (too) and Michael Wilson was a favourite of mine, just his mental toughness to push his body when he wasn't feeling too good physically and he was able to get the job done.
"Then coming across to Hawthorn, (Luke) Hodgey and Mitch (Sam Mitchell), probably Cyril (Rioli) and Buddy (Franklin) - there's four there. All outstanding players and all bring great things to the game - champions."
Also joining the show on Thursday night was Melbourne defender Michael Hibberd.
The former Essendon player spoke about settling in at the Demons and how they're navigating the injury concerns they've been facing.
He also gave an insight into how he enjoyed watching Melbourne play during his year out of the game due to the Essendon supplements saga, and the lure of playing under Simon Goodwin, who he worked with when Goodwin was an assistant at the Bombers.
Making his The Marngrook Footy Show debut on Thursday night was a former Demon and now Collingwood defender Lynden Dunn.
McAdam professed his appreciation for Dunn's preference for producing a torpedo punt when taking the defensive re-start duties for Collingwood after they concede a behind.
"When you pick the footies out of the bags behind the goals, it doesn't matter which cheer squad it is at either end they're always sort of calling for a barrel (punt) and there's always little bit of abuse coming from the opposition cheer squad as well," Dunn explained.
"But if you can get onto (a torpedo punt) it's nice and it's a skill that's sort of been lost in the game I think."
The 30-year-old also spoke about his passion to increase his involvement in coaching Collingwood's AFLW side and helping grow the AFLW, offering an almost scoop for viewers of the Marngrook Footy Show.
"I haven't finalised anything yet but hopefully my role will step up within the women's side and I can help out with some expertise and some coaching and get the girls going during the pre-season," Dunn said.
To hear more from the all-star guest list on Thursday night's show, including Peter Daicos, Shelley Ware, Leila Gurruwiwi and Rohan Connolly, head to NITV's Facebook, Twitter and Instagram pages or the On Demand catch-up service here.
The Marngrook Footy Show airs live on NITV every Thursday night from 7.30pm AEST.