Why is pacifism no longer a topic today?

Make Peace, Not War. This slogan was chanted by millions of people worldwide in the 1980s and 90s. But now even the Greens in Germany and Australia, and the 38th German Protestant Kirchentag in Nuremberg, are in favour of supplying weapons to Ukraine. Isn't that a contradiction? What has happened?

Daughter of a professional soldier and long-time military chaplain: Pastor Kim Kiessling - pictured here in our SBS studio in Melbourne after the interview - knows what she is talking about.