For the second year in a row Australia has slipped downwards in the rankings of international perceptions of corruption in the public service.
The annual survey conducted by the agency Transparency International puts Australia in 11th place.
That's four places lower than in 2012.
Denmark has, meanwhile, retained first place as a 'very clean' nation, with Somalia and North Korea sitting at the other end of the spectrum -- perceived as very corrupt.
Professor A.J. Brown is the Director of Transparency International Australia.
Kristina Kukolja asked him where the most noticeable results have been observed.
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