Chris Cairns talked openly about match-fixing at a dinner in 2008 with a group of New Zealand cricketers, a London court has been told.
Speaking at Cairns' perjury trial in London, former teammate Andre Adams described a Black Caps night out in India, when Cairns spoke about the ongoing rumours of cheating in the Indian Cricket League.
"He said 'Even if there is match-fixing, what does it matter, this is an unsanctioned event, what are they going to do?'," Adams told the trial at Southwark Crown Court on Friday.
"'How will they ever prove it', basically."
Orlando Pownall QC, Cairns' lawyer, questioned Adams' recollection of the night, but Adams said while he could not recall the precise wording, he remembered Cairns' comments about match-fixing "very clearly".
Adams also spoke about being approached to match-fix by Lou Vincent, telling the court he did not report Vincent because he did not want to be "the straw that broke the camel's back" for his "fragile" friend.
Earlier in Friday's session, another former Black Cap, Kyle Mills, told the court Brendon McCullum revealed to him that he had been approached by Cairns to match-fix.
Mills said he was told that Cairns had asked for McCullum's help during a meeting at a cafe, but that McCullum had not given him too many details about the incident.
"I was pretty gobsmacked with that statement alone, to be fair."
Under cross-examination by Mr Pownall, Mills said he did not think McCullum had mentioned fellow New Zealand cricketers Daryl Tuffey and Vincent being involved in match-fixing.
Mr Pownall suggested if he did not remember that for certain, then perhaps his memory was also not clear about what was said at all.
But Mills replied: "No. From my conversation with Brendon, I'm absolutely certain what he told me. That's fact, that's not rumour.
"About Chris Cairns' approach to Mr McCullum, I'm 100 per cent certain on that."
When asked why he did not report what McCullum had told him at the time, Mills said the education around corruption had increased significantly since 2008.
"If I got approached now, I'd definitely report it, but back then, I'm not sure what had been instructed to us."
Cairns faces a charge of perjury and one of perverting the course of justice in relation to a 2012 libel case in which he stated that he had "never, ever cheated at cricket".
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