Survivors say they no longer want to talk with Pell

Cardinal George Pell has continued to expose lies and cover-ups in the Catholic Church in his third day of evidence at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

Survivors say they no longer want to talk with PellSurvivors say they no longer want to talk with Pell

Survivors say they no longer want to talk with Pell

Australian abuse survivors are praising the commission for uncovering a picture of corruption and abuse within the Church through its questioning.



But they say they have given up on Cardinal Pell after hearing his evidence and are calling on the Pope for the future protection of children.

 

Australia's former senior Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, concedes he should have done more after hearing rumours of a Christian Brother's involvement with children in the 1970s.



Cardinal Pell says he heard vague and unspecific rumours about Brother Edward Dowlan from students and priests.

 

But he says the school chaplain at Ballarat's Saint Patrick's College told him the Christian Brothers were dealing with it.

 

"They were ... it was a generalised suggestion, accusation. There was nothing specific. But I would say that, in the light of my present understandings ... I would concede I should've done more. I should have consulted Brother Nangle and just insured that the matter was properly ... properly treated."

 

Brother Paul Nangle was Saint Patrick's College headmaster, but Cardinal Pell says he did not think of consulting him.

 

He says, when he was told the Christian Brothers were dealing with it at the time, he was quite content.



The Cardinal was asked if he was concerned Dowlan, rumoured to be sexually involved with children, was being moved from one place to another to handle the problem.

 

"No. One, I didn't know exactly what he was accused of. But 40 years ago, or more than 40 years ago, I did not think that was unusual or inappropriate."

 

Cardinal Pell has also told the commission he was deceived on two occasions about the sexual-misconduct allegations regarding a Melbourne priest.

 

He says that includes deception by the Catholic Education Office, that they kept him uninformed about allegations against Father Peter Searson.

 

Complaints against Father Searson included abusing and harrassing children and parents and harming animals in the Doveton parish.

 

Asked why the office would choose to deceive him, Cardinal Pell says he was known to be capable of being outspoken.

 

He says the office may have been fearful of what line he would have taken when confronted with the information it had on Father Searson.

 

(Pell:) "This was an extraordinary world, a world of crimes and cover-ups, and people did not want the status quo to be disturbed." (Question:) "And do you put yourself in this world as being the person who would disturb the status quo then?" (Pell:) I not only disturb the status quo, but, when I became archbishop, I turned the situation right around."

 

Cardinal Pell says he agrees there should be disciplinary action against the education-office staff who deceived him.

 

Survivors of clergy abuse who have travelled to Rome say they no longer want to meet one-on-one with Cardinal Pell after the hearings, though.

 

They say he does not care and has turned away from helping them.

 

"We are a little bit tired of hearing what George is saying up there on the stand. And we feel that we only have two more days here in Rome and we want to be heard and we want someone to show they care about us and that can possibly help change this for the children into the future."

 

The survivors are now hoping to meet with the Pope.

 

It comes as a statement from Cardinal Pell says he would be available to meet survivors.

 

The hearings will continue tomorrow, with Cardinal Pell expected to continue giving evidence for a fourth day.

 

The hearings will start at 7am (AEDT) and are expected to finish around 1pm.






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